E36M3 #1425

Wednesday, June 27, 2001 21:55:26

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Dear Houston area participants - from Tom Tice
#2. Re: BMW must be thrilled about this web site... - from Joe Tan
#3. Fuel level sending units - from Sue Kraft
#4. Re: [E36M3] Spare tire containment - from Jimenez, Ariel
#5. RE: [E36M3] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... - from Roman
#6. Re: [E36M3] ATF or MTF? - from kmcleaster@iquest.net
#7. Ride Height and suspension upgrade saga - from Tom Tice
#8. What Fluid in Euro 6-Speed and a BMW "warning" - from nabli@attglobal.net
#9. Re: [E36M3] ETK price list - from nabli@attglobal.net
#10. ] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... - from Paul Elliott

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Dear Houston area participants - from Tom Tice
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:30:20 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Dear Houston area participants > > I don't know Houston, but Tire Rack has a list of installers on their > web site. This is true but don't take that as a wholesale recommendation from Tirerack. I checked out most of the shops that they have listed im my area and I didn't find one that I would trust with an M3 17 inch wheel - none of them had the proper equipment (the Tirerack sells a lot of 14,15 & 16 inch tires that anyone can deal with - thus the listings). A couple of them were bold enough to say they could mount 17 inch tires but hadn't done an M3 before - they were even confident enough to say they would be responsible for any damage. This still didn't build my confidence as their definition of damage to a wheel is likely different than mine (they were only charging $10-$15 per wheel) and it surely isn't worth the hassle of dealing with. I searched around and found a tire shop with the correct Hunter machine and even then they struggled. Good luck! Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '99 540/6 > > Carey > --- Mel Silva <mel.silva@pdq.net> wrote: > > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:42:53 -0500 > > From: "Mel Silva" <mel.silva@pdq.net> > > Subject: Dear Houston area participants > > > > So after doing a little local investigation, it is clear that I > > will be > > ordering my new tires from Tire-Rack. Now that that is settled, > > any > > suggestions on where to get mounting, balancing and alignment done > > on my > > third-party tires? I live in Northwest Houston, so driving to > > Clear Lake or > > SugarLand is not exactly convenient. > > > > Thanks much, > > Mel

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#2. Re: BMW must be thrilled about this web site... - from Joe Tan
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BMW must be thrilled about this web site... I am sure you are going to get quite a few email from people disagreeing with you on this. I don't know about everyone else but If I am going to spend over $60k for a car I expect nothing less than perfection and if it's not perfect I expect the manufacturer do "everything" they can to make it perfect. The excuse of "It's a sports car, therefore..." just does not fly in this competitive market segment anymore. Have you driven a AMG Mercedes lately? Joe. '98 M3/4 -------------- This guy should have bought a Volvo. The M3 is a sports car, do you people know what a sports car is? No cup holders, rattles, rides like crap, etc. etc. The M3 is a poor attempt at a sports car, who cares if it stalls out or idles rough all M3's do that including mine since it was brand new (96 M3/2). My doors rattle, my HK stereo was horrible, I did not complain!!!!! If you want quite door panels, quite engine and a smooth driveline buy a Mercedes, or a 7 series. I guarantee this guy is one who buys a fast car shifts @ 3500 and drives the speed limit everywhere he goes. If you don't like your car sell it now for a profit and be done with it. Don't wine and complain after all you chose to buy this car. =20 W. Horlacher =20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#3. Fuel level sending units - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:33:05 -0500 From: Sue Kraft <skraft1@new.rr.com> Subject: Fuel level sending units Another contribution from Jim Powell.... http://www.apexcone.com/TechProcedures/FuelSendingUnits/FuelSendingUnits.html

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Spare tire containment - from Jimenez, Ariel
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:15:34 -0500 From: "Jimenez, Ariel" <ariel@megapathdsl.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Spare tire containment I don't remember if this was discussed recently, but I was thinking of running without the spare for weight saving purposes, and just carry one of those tire repair kits that the E46 M3s are running around with. But I heard the spare tire is part of the crumple zone in a rear-end collision. Is this true and how much more dangerous would it be to be rear ended without the spare? TIA Ariel ----- Original Message ----- From: <peter@guagenti.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Spare oil containment > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:58:46 US/Pacific > From: peter@guagenti.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Spare oil containment > > > I don't use a spare with my '95 M3. I have a spare wheel/tire that I keep in > my garage in case something goes wrong, but I don't drive with one. In > it's place I keep a plastic bin that is secured in by the metal bar in the > center.

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#5. RE: [E36M3] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... - from Roman
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:23:38 -0700 From: Roman <roman@arteuro.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... Todd, I KNOW about THAT rule of thumb BUT this is a $50+ K version 1. On the other hand, think this guy must check for dust on his furniture with a white glove!!! None the less BMW should be more responsive and considerate to the whiner's...ooops I mean this gentleman's complaints. Roman S. 96 ///M3 Would be more than happy to put up with differential whine of an E46 M3 -----Original Message----- From: Todd C. Merrill To: E36M3 Sent: 6/27/01 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:46:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd C. Merrill" <tmerrill@mathworks.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... A rule of thumb I once heard regarding buying software might apply here: "Never buy version 1.0" ;) Until next time... Todd tm-m3@mathworks.com 1998 BMW M3 coupe BMW CCA member, Boston Chapter --- ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************

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#6. Re: [E36M3] ATF or MTF? - from kmcleaster@iquest.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:26:14 -0500 From: kmcleaster@iquest.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATF or MTF? At 05:45 PM 6/25/01, you wrote: >ATF or MTF? I believe ATF is the proper stuff for an E36 M3 transmission. Thats not to say that other lubricants may be ok in certain applications. I've heard of people putting MTF in their E36 M3 transmissions. I just changed both my differential fluid and my transmission fluid. The diff. fluid was definitely a different substance than what was in the transmission. The trans. fluid was reddish in color and certainly seemed like ATF. I replaced it with Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF. I put Mobil 1 75W90 Synthetic Gear Lube in the diff. I agree with you that if you buy into this "lifetime" lube idea the "lifetime" will be shorter. Regards, Kevin D. McLeaster WB9HMI '95 M3 Arctic Silver

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#7. Ride Height and suspension upgrade saga - from Tom Tice
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:35:44 -0400 From: "Tom Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: Ride Height and suspension upgrade saga Last weekend, I completed (almost - still don't have the Bilstein shocks on the rear), my suspension upgrade to a Bilstein/H&R sport setup with swapped strut hats. Last night I made a few measurements to see how things are shaping up. I included Ron Katona's ride hide post from earlier this year as reference. Here are my ride height results: corner average(Ron's) my stock '98 Bilstein/H&R LF 14.2" 14.0" 12.875" RF 14.0" 13.75" 12.875" LR 13.2" 12.75" 11.375" RR 13.0" 12.5" 11.125" Boy is this car low! My car seemed a bit low compared to the stock average already - any ideas why? I don't really want it this low for a combo street/track car. With this setup, I have to avoid streets with speed bumps! Additionally, my crude measurements of the resulting camber are as follows: Front -2.97 degrees average of the two sides Rear -2.2 degrees average This is also far more camber than I was expecting. Any ideas why my car seems to have turned out with a more radical result that what others have lead me to believe I would get. The Bilsteins on the rear will likely raise it up a tad (Bilstein says no more than 1/8") but certainly no more than 1/4". As for the camber, this looks like a great track setup but I'm not sure I'm willing to eat up front tires on the street with this much camber. Any thoughts would be appreciated. By the way, the car seems to drive and ride fine - but certainly more firm than before. Now that I have the E46 rear shock mounts I'll install the Bilsteins in the rear and see how the final result rides and handles. Yes I reinstalled all of the spring pads in the proper places. The springs were bought from a fellow lister and were previously used but appeared to be in good shape - do these things sag over time? TIA, Tom Tice '98 M3/4 - tooling around in the new go-cart '99 540/6 - providing relief from the go-cart when needed > I polled the group last year and got about a dozen responses > to stock ride height. Year, model, and options didn't seem to matter > much, although like cars differed by as much as 1/2". I had everyone > measure from the fender lip to the center of the wheel (eliminates > differences resulting from wheel size). The final figure I use is the > median of all results I received and is: > > LF 14.2" > RF 14.0" > LR 13.2" > RR 13.0" > > Standard deviation was about 1/4". Yes, almost every example was higher > on the left side than the right (measured without driver). > > In your case, subtract 8.5" if you have a 17" wheel. If that's the case, > your car sits about stock height in the rear, and 1" high up front. I > haven't seen the Dinan camber plates in person, but most camber plates > replace the stock strut bearing and therefore are the same height or > less after installation. Unless the Dinan plate is unusually tall, it > shouldn't contribute to increases in ride height. Sometimes a spring is > not seated correctly in the perch or may settle in slightly after a > while, or both, but 1" is a bit extreme. Make sure the car is on a > perfectly flat and level surface when you measure, a slight bump on one > wheel will cause the opposite diagonal wheel to also look wrong. There > are also spring pads at each corner and these are available in three > different thickness, but you won't get 1" from them either. > -- > Ron Katona > >

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#8. What Fluid in Euro 6-Speed and a BMW "warning" - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:54:17 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: What Fluid in Euro 6-Speed and a BMW "warning" Use MTL and also replace your oil drain plug with new part number 23 11 7 510 100 if you notice any fluid leak, however minor, around the plug. Apparently, BMW has "discovered" that the factory plug no. 27 11 1 226 798 "may not fulfill its sealing function on Getrag transmissions." See Service bulletin 23 02 00 This explains why I have fluid around that plug. My car is a 99 M3 April 99 production. Cheers, Jim E. Campbell Lloyd-Wallace wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:59:40 -0400 > From: Campbell Lloyd-Wallace <clwm3@gate.net> > Subject: What Fluid in Euro 6-Speed > > What transmission fluid/oil are people running in your 6-Speeds? MTL? > > Thanks, > Campbell > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > *************************************************************

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#9. Re: [E36M3] ETK price list - from nabli@attglobal.net
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:56:40 -0400 From: nabli@attglobal.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] ETK price list Rich, It can't be done. Dealers only have access to this info. Jim E. "Dorffer, Rich" wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:14:13 -0400 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: ETK price list > > Does anyone here happen to have the ETK price list which can be imported > into the ETK? > > I would be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > Best regards, > > Rich - Got to meet another lister (from the Tarhill chapter) last night > confirming to me the number of really great individuals which occupy this > list. > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > *************************************************************

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#10. ] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:55:18 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <pelliott@rcn.com> Subject: ] BMW must be thrilled about this web site... >>apparently he's just a little brat who has never owned a car, that knows nothing about performance cars, the car business, economics, or even physics (he can't seem to understanderstand that a spare tire won't fit into the trunk because of the exhaust system). << Wait a minute....You seem to think that an understanding of physics would lead you to the inevitable conclusion that people , if they had to choose, would rather have 4 exhaust tips than a spare tire. I for one, would rather have both...But, given my druthers, there's no way I'd be content with no spare...Have you ever had a flat? You know, they do happen in the real world, really! It seems inexcusable that something so functional should be left out, in the name of cosmetics. And please, dont tell me how much extra horsepower we're getting by those extra two tips...I dont suppose they could have given us 2 fatter tips instead, and a spare....Too much to ask? --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Elliott '99 White M3; < 30K miles; Dinan stage II sc kit; Rotex pads; Steiger SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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