E36M3 #1383

Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:23:58

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Chester Wong
#2. Question on shorter springs - from Ron Buchalski
#3. Re: [E36M3] H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits - from Steven Tom
#4. Re: [E36M3] Question on shorter springs - from David Bauer
#5. Eurasian Parts and H&R Coilovers - from scott
#6. RE: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Joe Tan
#7. Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from John Bergstrom
#8. Putting on exhaust - from bmw
#9. Re: [E36M3] Putting on exhaust - from Chester Wong
#10. [E36M3]: H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits - from Dinah DeRoller

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming I still don't see a basis for any discussion at all considering it's more or less proven that the Bilsteins are not correctly designed for the M3s where the bump stops are too long. That compounded with the shorter springs means that at static, you're resting on the bump stops. The bump stops should be trimmed without even a question...especially since a fellow lister did some research and discovered that doing so does not violate any warranty. Harsh or no harsh, riding around on untrimmed bilsteins just doesn't make sense. You might as well remove your strut and springs and insert a hard rubber solid bushing. Chester --- Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:56:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming > > Maybe it depends on the car or something but I've had > the Bilts. and H&R Sport combo both with and w/o the > trimmed stops. The difference was night and day. > Bfore the stops were trimmed the car had almost no > suspension compression travel at all. I would expect > that a car with springs that aren't as low as the H&R > sports may not benefit from the trimming as much. > -Matt > > > --- John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:38:42 -0700 (PDT) > > From: John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming > > > > Having driven both non-trimmed Bilstein setups and > > trimmed Bilstein setups, I > > still assert that I have felt almost NO difference > > between the two. The > > trimmed setup MIGHT have been a little less bouncy, > > but no less harsh. > > > > Just my $0.02. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

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#2. Question on shorter springs - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:05:00 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Question on shorter springs I've noticed that most aftermarket springs tend to lower the front of the car more than they lower the rear of the car. Considering that, with stock springs, the M3 has a 50/50 weight balance, doesn't lowering the front of the car more (with respect to lowering the rear) have the effect of shifting more weight to the front, altering the 50/50 weight balance? -rb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#3. Re: [E36M3] H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits - from Steven Tom
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:12:37 -0700 From: Steven Tom <stom@qualcomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits H&R c/o too expensive? There's a group purchase on this from the DTM message board. Click here <http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?s=aa5a4d567b0ccef3207d1b67 ed77f98c&threadid=5339> to see it. Right now the price is $1250 I don't know how there doing it but I just thought I'd share the good news. steve At 09:13 PM 6/13/01 -0500, Jay Sala wrote: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:03:13 +0800 From: Jay Sala <jsala@mist.com> Subject: H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits The H&R coil-over kit sounds great... but pricey. Anyone have views or experience (ride? handling? overall quality?) of the H&R Cup kit (conventional coil springs and custom valved shocks) or the Koni coil-over kit, both of which are significantly cheaper than the H&R coil-over kit? Thanks, and regards, Jay Sala ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Question on shorter springs - from David Bauer
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:25:15 -0500 From: David Bauer <dbauer@blkbox.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Question on shorter springs Ron, I would think the only way to change the weight balance is to move the CG of the car forward or back. The lower front might alter weight transfer during braking though. Dave 95 M3 Ron Buchalski wrote: > > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:05:00 > From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> > Subject: Question on shorter springs > > I've noticed that most aftermarket springs tend to lower the front of the > car more than they lower the rear of the car. > > Considering that, with stock springs, the M3 has a 50/50 weight balance, > doesn't lowering the front of the car more (with respect to lowering the > rear) have the effect of shifting more weight to the front, altering the > 50/50 weight balance? > > -rb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > *************************************************************

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#5. Eurasian Parts and H&R Coilovers - from scott 
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:34:15 -0400 From: "scott " <scott@ditherdog.com> Subject: Eurasian Parts and H&R Coilovers Howdy fellow listers, There was a bit of confusion as I didn't write an older post very clearly - I wanted to mention in the same post that I had great prices/services from Eurasian, and that I dig the coilovers. I didn't get the coilovers from Eurasian, I got them from Conversion Techniques in Oakland, if anyone's interested I can send contact info - they said they would match the best price from supremepowerparts.com Eurasian just did a wonderful job of customer service regarding tie rods, and their prices were WAY lower than other ones I had seen. That's all, hope you guys are enjoying your thursday =) best, scott

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#6. RE: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Joe Tan
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Tan <mailjtan@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming Ed, You can rise the rear another 10mm if you add a 10mm spring pad. For more info check out: http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/ and go to the Tech Tips section and click on Tire Clearence Joe. ----------------- Is there a way to raise the rear without changing the springs? I really don't want to trim the fronts. I have enough of a hard time over driveways and such with the stock height. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#7. Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from John Bergstrom
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> Subject: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming >>> Harsh or no harsh, riding around on untrimmed bilsteins just doesn't make sense. You might as well remove your strut and springs and insert a hard rubber solid bushing.<<< I would tend to agree now that both H&R and Bilstein recommend it. But there are other sources I've spoken to that SHOULD be in-the-know that don't recommend it. Turner, for example. For my part, I've given up on the Bilsteins. They're fantastic at the track, but too harsh for the daily drive. I'm going to Koni. John '95 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

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#8. Putting on exhaust - from bmw
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) From: bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> Subject: Putting on exhaust I just purchased a UUC exhaust, are there any exhaust gaskets that I need to get before putting it on and should I replace any of the hangers while Iam there. Tony 95M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Putting on exhaust - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Putting on exhaust It'd probably be a good idea to replace both sealing rings, nuts and bolts, and rear hangers (they're probably worn out). Chester --- bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> wrote: > I just purchased a UUC exhaust, are there any exhaust > gaskets that I need to get before putting it on and > should I replace any of the hangers while Iam there. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

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#10. [E36M3]: H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits - from Dinah DeRoller
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:27:26 -0400 From: Dinah DeRoller <dinah_g_deroller@redcom.com> Subject: [E36M3]: H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits Jay, I've had the Koni C/O with single adjustable Konis on my car for about 2 weeks now. Love it. For comparison, my previous setup was stock springs and struts/shocks and Eibach swaybars set to stiff stiff. I found the car to be too "floaty" on twisty windy roads, and the ride was actually a bit jarring on uneven bumps (because of the sways). Now with the C/O, I've got the sways set to soft all around, and while everything is certainly stiffer (there is no body roll!), it's quite compliant on the street. It felt amazing on the track at Watkins Glen last weekend, and I'll be playing with it more at Mosport tomorrow. I've got the Koni's set about 1/2 stiff...I may play with that setting a bit. My stock rear shocks were leaking at 34K miles...I just HAD to upgrade :) Dinah > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:03:13 +0800 > From: Jay Sala <jsala@mist.com> > Subject: H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits > The H&R coil-over kit sounds great... but pricey. Anyone have views or > experience (ride? handling? overall quality?) of the H&R Cup kit > (conventional coil springs and custom valved shocks) or the Koni coil-over > kit, both of which are significantly cheaper than the H&R coil-over kit? > Thanks, and regards, > Jay Sala

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