E36M3 #1382

Thursday, June 14, 2001 09:03:08

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] Need rear camber recommendations - from Chris Teague
#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Ron Buchalski
#3. Re: What Type of Battery for 95 M3 Master Key? - from Ron Buchalski
#4. UUC Exhaust vs Shark Intake sound - from PJB
#5. 2. H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits - from scott
#6. Brembo rotors - from Steve D'Gerolamo
#7. Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Ed Tang
#8. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Matt Henson
#9. Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from John Bergstrom
#10. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Matt Henson
#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Matt Henson

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Need rear camber recommendations - from Chris Teague
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:38:32 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@home.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need rear camber recommendations Dan, The stock arms are adjustable with the eccentric bolt at the wheel end of the lower arm. Any reason that won't work? That's what I use to adjust the camber, and then you can adjust the trailing arm front mount to set the toe. Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- From: <DrDan976@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: [E36M3] Need rear camber recommendations > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:13:35 EDT > From: DrDan976@aol.com > Subject: Need rear camber recommendations > > I am about to lower my car with H&R coilovers. I need recommendations > with > the rear camber and how to correct it. > > I know TC Klein has a lower control arm adjustable links, as does Ground > > Control. > > Can anyone help and does anyone have some for sale? Ground control are > out > of stock and TC Klein wants $800 for theirs. > > Thanks > > Dan Wang > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > >

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:39:21 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming The problem with class-action lawsuits is that the people who purchased the products (and each spent hundreds of dollars on them) will end up getting a $10 rebate certificate, or a $5 cash "settlement", while the lawyers who handled the case make a boatload of money. -rb >From: Bora Akyol <akyol@akyol.org> >To: Ron Buchalski <rbuchals@hotmail.com>, E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:30:51 -0700 > >Because they are Bilstein, make a ton of money and even though this issue >has been known by BMW community for years, people still buy them because of >the Bilstein name. I am sure if BMW M3 owners stopped buying the Bilsteins, >they will stop making them with the incorrect bump stop. > >The Bilstein owners out there should initiate a class-action lawsuit. > >Bora >Who has no tolerance for incompetent vendors. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#3. Re: What Type of Battery for 95 M3 Master Key? - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:48:47 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: What Type of Battery for 95 M3 Master Key? Geof, It's a Varda V625 U button cell. 1.5 volts. You may be able to get one from Radio Shack (via special order, delivered by mail to your house), or you can go to your dealer. However, be warned: you'll probably find that your dealer will make you "the squealer"** when it comes to selling batteries and light bulbs for those keys. -rb ** Ned Beatty in Deliverance... >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:51:21 -0400 >From: Geof McLaughlin <gfmiiilist@usa.net> >Subject: What Type of Battery for 95 M3 Master Key? > >Does anyone happen to know the type of battery that powers the light in the >master key (square head) for a 1995 M3? Mine does not work and the battery >was missing as well. > >Thanks, > >Geof _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#4. UUC Exhaust vs Shark Intake sound - from PJB
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:20:27 -0400 From: "PJB" <pbosco@hotmail.com> Subject: UUC Exhaust vs Shark Intake sound From strictly a sound perspective (no need to comment on performance improvement differences), the UUC exhaust seems to be loudest at low rpms with heavy throttle in higher gears - but it really quiets down under high rpms and hard acceleration - whereas the Shark intake makes its biggest sounds under the opposite conditions. The result is having either the exhaust or intake growls, however, they don't occur at the same time. My expectation for the exhaust was for it to really scream under higher rpm, hard acceleration, but it doesn't...and overall, I'd have to say that the intake sound is louder (which may apply more to the '95s with larger intake runners). I know if I wanted really big noise I could've gone with the Tri-Flo - it just seemed from other reviews that the UUC would be the good sound compromise between stock and Tri-Flo...on the low rpms, I'd agree...on the high rpms, it's very close to stock...MHO Pete '95 M3

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#5. 2. H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits - from scott 
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:25:55 -0400 From: "scott " <scott@ditherdog.com> Subject: 2. H&R Cup and Koni suspension kits Hey Jay, It is a great kit, and it is pricey. But the $1400 I paid (with full factory warranty) is less than $200 more than the best price I saw for Koni coilovers. Is there someone out there selling koni coilovers for less than $1200? And for that matter, has anyone seen the Sach's Motorsport Coilover kit up close? Looks pretty interesting.... best, scott yu > >The H&R coil-over kit sounds great... but pricey. Anyone have views or >experience (ride? handling? overall quality?) of the H&R Cup kit >(conventional coil springs and custom valved shocks) or the Koni coil-over >kit, both of which are significantly cheaper than the H&R coil-over kit? > >Thanks, and regards, > >Jay Sala >

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#6. Brembo rotors - from Steve D'Gerolamo
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:44:36 -0400 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <steved3@idt.net> Subject: Brembo rotors The LWT has the same rotors as stock M3s, so I'm not sure what is being referred to above ============================================== Sorry about all the confusion...the E36 Lightweight originally came with what we call the "Euro" or "floating" rotors. The manufacturer's name (SHW) is clearly seen on the hats. BMWNA decided that these rotors (as well as those used on the European E39 M5 and E46 M3) were not safe for us (must be our high 65mph speed limits) and superceded the part numbers to the "171/172" numbers used on the regular M3. SD ================================== Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage - Tel 201-262-0412

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#7. Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Ed Tang
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> Subject: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming Hi all, I had just installed the Bilstein/H&R combo and Dinan fixed camber plates. I am more than happy with the results in handling. However, visually, I didn't trim the bump stops in the front and with the camber plates, the stock ride height is maintained. I would like to even out the ride height to stock. Is there a way to raise the rear without changing the springs? I really don't want to trim the fronts. I have enough of a hard time over driveways and such with the stock height. Ed Tang 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Matt Henson
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming Ed, Using the bump stops to set your ride height is like removing the suspension and welding the hub to the frame. If you don't like the ride height given by a set of springs then you need to get different springs. You can actually raise the rear by adding spring pads - go to UUC's site, I think there's something about this on their tech tips section. -Matt --- Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:49:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ed Tang <etangf1@yahoo.com> > Subject: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming > > Hi all, > > I had just installed the Bilstein/H&R combo and > Dinan > fixed camber plates. I am more than happy with the > results in handling. However, visually, I didn't > trim > the bump stops in the front and with the camber > plates, the stock ride height is maintained. I would > like to even out the ride height to stock. Is there > a > way to raise the rear without changing the springs? > I > really don't want to trim the fronts. I have enough > of > a hard time over driveways and such with the stock > height. > > Ed Tang > 95 Cosmos M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#9. Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from John Bergstrom
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> Subject: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming Having driven both non-trimmed Bilstein setups and trimmed Bilstein setups, I still assert that I have felt almost NO difference between the two. The trimmed setup MIGHT have been a little less bouncy, but no less harsh. Just my $0.02. John '95 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Matt Henson
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming Maybe it depends on the car or something but I've had the Bilts. and H&R Sport combo both with and w/o the trimmed stops. The difference was night and day. Bfore the stops were trimmed the car had almost no suspension compression travel at all. I would expect that a car with springs that aren't as low as the H&R sports may not benefit from the trimming as much. -Matt --- John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:38:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Bergstrom <john0990@yahoo.com> > Subject: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming > > Having driven both non-trimmed Bilstein setups and > trimmed Bilstein setups, I > still assert that I have felt almost NO difference > between the two. The > trimmed setup MIGHT have been a little less bouncy, > but no less harsh. > > Just my $0.02. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming - from Matt Henson
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming Ron, I would submit that the problem isn't the bump stop size but rather the size of the strut cartridge. The bump stop is a pretty normal size before it is cut. If the cartrige were shorter then it would be okay to use the longer stop and still get good suspension travel. Of course it's easier to adjust the bump stop size but making them smaller increases their effective rate and makes the transistion less progressive when they are hit. -Matt --- Ron Buchalski <rbuchals@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:19:50 > From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Bilstein Bump Stop Trimming > > Jeremy, > > Thanks for chasing this down. It raises one more > question for Bilstein: > > "Why do they continue to make the E36 M3 struts with > incorrectly sized bump > stops?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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