E36M3 #1357

Wednesday, June 06, 2001 18:03:21

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. FS: E36 M3 - from Bill Lackey
#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA - from Dave Spragg
#3. Re: [E36M3] race - from Luis Veras
#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA - from Chester Wong
#5. Re: Brake Job cost (was visit to Tate BMW) - from Neil Maller
#6. As the Koni Turns... - from Wayne Miller
#7. Fw: PTG M3 on ebay - from Michael Lawrence
#8. NSX Challenge - from Brent Williams
#9. Re: [E36M3] NSX Challenge - from John Stoj
#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Brake Job cost (was visit to Tate BMW) - from Jim Bassett

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#1. FS: E36 M3 - from Bill Lackey
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:03:43 -0700 From: "Bill Lackey" <btlackey@hotmail.com> Subject: FS: E36 M3 1995 M3 Metallic Black with Black Interior 54K miles Perfect shape, no accidents, dings, etc... Vador Seats DINAN Stage II Supercharger Advanced Racing Design double adjustable shocks 300F/350R + 500F/600R coilover springs Ground Control camber plates Ground Control rear shock tops DP 3 piece 17X8 race wheels with 245X45 Kumho tires BBS RC 17X8 Street Wheels Turner AP 13" brake kit with spacers and stud kit Custom Mocal oil cooler 3.46 Turner LSD UUC short shift kit will all options RD sway bars UUC transmission mounts Sachs HD clutch Turner LTW flywheel Autopower rollbar (custom black powdercoated)with removeable cross brace Eastern Motorwerks guages With UUC oil filter lid Borla Exhaust Turner pan baffle JTD undertray Asking $33500 obo Bill Lackey 707-793-0910 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:11:50 -0400 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@mediaone.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA It must be pointed out here that Steve's SO apparently doesn't notice much about cars. She has never noticed the high end wheels that went on when the Hoosiers went on the stock ones. She hasn't noticed it dropped about 2 or 3 inches. She hasn't noticed a wildly decreased tendency to roll or the 3 degrees of negative camber... Hell... my track car has 3 degree of negative camber and people have asked me if it was broken after they looked at the angle on the wheel. :) Dave Spragg dave@spragg.com Natick, MA 99 M3 Sharked 92 330is Sharked and Supercharged -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hazard [mailto:SHazard@nhboston.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:53 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:47:26 -0400 From: Steve Hazard <SHazard@nhboston.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA I recently got around to finally treating myself to an exhaust.....I've heard most of them over the last couple of years BTW....I decided to wait for the AA Gen III.... It is perfect....I'm in my 40's and did'nt want anything to loud, or drone/resonation at Cruising RPM's....This exhaust is the real deal....Quiet at idle, no drone on the highway, but open up the throttle and wow! Also the fit and finish is flawless.... Here's a recent Autocross clip of my car and you can hear the exhaust... http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/bmwx.html Scroll to the bottom and click on the Dakar Videos.... Last, the SO does not even know I replaced the exhaust :-) It's that quiet..Until you step on it... Regards, Steve Boston Chapter Autocross Chair You asked> So, one question. Would the AA Gen III exhaust pass the SO test? Is my wife going to complain about my car being too loud? ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message. *************************************************************

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#3. Re: [E36M3] race - from Luis Veras
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:20:41 -0400 From: "Luis Veras" <veras@tricom.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] race Thanks for your support, man. I was beginning to feel lonely. Cheers :-) Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Greene" <gsa@arpinintl.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: [E36M3] race > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:12:12 -0400 > From: Mark Greene <gsa@arpinintl.com> > Subject: race > > I for one loved the post by Luis.... I don't want to die any more than > the next person but part of the reason I bought this car was for the > little surprise moments of adrenaline rush like this and just knowing > that "I can if I want to". Mark > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message. > ************************************************************* > > >

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#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: UUC exhaust and Borla + AA Perhaps Steve is talking about the blow up doll he uses to qualify for the carpool lanes! :) Chester --- Dave Spragg <dspragg@mediaone.net> wrote: > It must be pointed out here that Steve's SO apparently doesn't notice much > about cars. She has never noticed the high end wheels that went on when the > Hoosiers went on the stock ones. She hasn't noticed it dropped about 2 or 3 > inches. She hasn't noticed a wildly decreased tendency to roll or the 3 > degrees of negative camber... > > Hell... my track car has 3 degree of negative camber and people have asked > me if it was broken after they looked at the angle on the wheel. :) ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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#5. Re: Brake Job cost (was visit to Tate BMW) - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:01:28 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Brake Job cost (was visit to Tate BMW) on 6/6/01 4:13 PM, Jim Bassett <jbassett@geysernetworks.com> wrote: >> rotors/pads/etc for 4 wheels: $1038 ($600 or so is parts, about $300 for >> labor. They just finished a brake job for another M3 owner.) > > OH MY GOD!!! That is just plain ridiculous. On an E36 M3? Wow, that seems > like too much. Let's take a look at what it would cost a DIY'er: > > Rotors F: $120 (From Steve D'G) > Rotors R: $160 (est., from last time I bought a set at the dealer) > Pads F: $48 (Pagids, Steve D'G) > Pads R: $40 (Est, from Steve D'G - his price list didn't list a set for > 96-on, but the 95s should be the same) > Brake wear sensor F: $13 (if one actually replaces these :-)) > Brake wear sensor R: $10 > > So, let's see, we've got $391 in parts. Toss in another $10-$15 for > anti-squeal & anti-sieze compound if needed, and you're at about $410. > > The job shouldn't take more than 2 hours (I can change pads on all 4 corners > & front rotors in a bit over an hour at home - length of time increases > proportionally to number of people who help :-)). It's really not a > difficult job, and for some of us is actually quite fun. Hang on a mo Jim, it's not quite as bad as you make it seem. First, a BMW dealer is going to use BMW parts - period, end of discussion. So that easily takes the parts cost up to the $600 originally quoted. It wasn't mentioned, but surely part of a dealer's 4 wheel brake job would be a brake fluid flush and bleed, including using the MODIC to cycle the ABS/ASC+T unit. (Don't have a MODIC at home? Damn, me neither.) That's going to run you not less than $100. So we've got $600 in parts, 2 hours at probably $80 for $160, plus $100 or so for the flush, plus tax, disposal fee, etc. Now our count is definitely at over $900, against the quote of $1038. That's within spitting distance at least. So I don't see that the dealer's estimate was "ridiculous," for dealer work. A bit high maybe, but not ridiculous. Would I pay that? Hell no! But then like you I buy my own parts and do my own brake work, and the hourly rate I charge myself is highly negotiable... Does Kevin have less expensive options? You bet. An independent shop will doubtless be cheaper on parts and labour both, or Kevin can go the DIY route if he has the time, tools, skill and inclination. Neil 96 M3

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#6. As the Koni Turns... - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:03:04 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: As the Koni Turns... Well, it took me about 6 hours working alone from start to all cleaned up to replace all of my stock shocks with the Koni adjustable ones. Neil's instructions were great and it is amazing what experience will = do for you. It must have taken 3 hours to complete the first of the front struts. I had trouble getting the strut off because the lower control arm and steering arm just didn't want to let go of the strut. I then = had a heck of a time getting the old shock out. I cut near the end as I was instructed to do but my large pipe cutter was too big so I couldn't = turn it all the way around. I eventually got it the end off and the fluid removed and then discovered that I hadn't cut enough off so I had to = cut off another 4mm or so. If you don't cut off enough, the Koni will not = go all the way down. I think that the Koni instructions say cut off about 10mm and that seems right (I removed about 6 on my first try). Neil was correct that you get sprayed when you drill the hole in the bottom - it ended up all over me. The second strut took just over an hour from = start to finish. The rears weren't difficult at all until I realized that you really can't adjust them while they are in the car - they have to be completely removed and adjusted on the work bench so out it came (I had only done 1 at this point) so I could adjust it. =20 Now, my questions: I received some good responses about settings but I am just curious about the total number of available turns on the fronts and rears. From what I could tell, the fronts have about 3 turns and = the rears have about 2. Is that correct? =20 I don't think that I would have even been able to use the adjuster for the front ones because I have the TC Kline camber plates and a UUC = strut bar but the one that I have from Dali Racing ( www.daliracing.com <http://www.daliracing.com/> ) for the NSX that also has the Konis works great. =20 My Initial comments on how it feels: I have the fronts at 1/3 from full stiff and the rears at about half. Over normal bumps, it is softer than the stock shocks but on sharp bumps, the car really jolts. I am getting it aligned tomorrow so I will know more about the handling then. =20 -Wayne =20

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#7. Fw: PTG M3 on ebay - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:09:08 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> Subject: Fw: PTG M3 on ebay Let me make some corrections. The car does have a 3.2 according to a conversation I am following on another list. And I shoudl state, not that the car has anything wrong with it, just it is not a good description of what you are getting on Ebay. A friend checked into this very car and decided that to race it would cost more than to buy it Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@home.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Cc: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: PTG M3 on ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592094811& > r=0&t=0 > > > > I just wanted to pass on some info on this car. If anyone is really > thinking about this car or knows someone that is, please warn them about > what spares would cost. > > Someone had this car inspected and I can pass the info on, after I get the > ok from them. > > it is a 3.0 not a 3.2 etc amoung other things that are wrong with the car > > Mike >

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#8. NSX Challenge - from Brent Williams
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:40:32 -0400 From: "Brent Williams" <brent@williamsconsultingltd.com> Subject: NSX Challenge Ok, I have a challenge for you all. First a little background: My brother sold his 97 M3 to buy a 94 NSX. Now, at the time I was driving a 94 325is. So he was basically driving my dream car. Anyway... We have a constant arguement over which is superior. So... now that I have a 99 M3 Coupe, and he is about to come down and visit me in florida. What mods can I do to my car to give me an edge over my brother? Currently I am running a Jim C intake and chip, as well as BBS RC 18" rims with Yoko AVS Sport Rubber. Otherwise its plain stock. NSX is bone stock. Very babied, 30k miles. No mods. Any suggestions for good mods that I can get done before the 4th of July? New springs and shocks? I don't have time for a supercharger install. Please help. Need to make sure M3 comes out on top. Brent

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#9. Re: [E36M3] NSX Challenge - from John Stoj
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Stoj <John_Stoj@excite.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] NSX Challenge On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:43:14 -0500, Brent Williams wrote: Ok, I have a challenge for you all. First a little background: My brother sold his 97 M3 to buy a 94 NSX. What mods can I do to my car to give me an edge over my brother? Any suggestions for good mods that I can get done before the 4th of July? Please help. Need to make sure M3 comes out on top. Brent, Don't do any mods - just challenge him to a contest, the winner of which is the person who can take the most women for a ride in their respective cars at the same time. ;-) - John S. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Brake Job cost (was visit to Tate BMW) - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:54:48 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jbassett@geysernetworks.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Brake Job cost (was visit to Tate BMW) > Hang on a mo Jim, it's not quite as bad as you make it seem. > > First, a BMW dealer is going to use BMW parts - period, end > of discussion. > So that easily takes the parts cost up to the $600 originally quoted. Hmm, OK, granted. > It wasn't mentioned, but surely part of a dealer's 4 wheel > brake job would > be a brake fluid flush and bleed, including using the MODIC > to cycle the > ABS/ASC+T unit. (Don't have a MODIC at home? Damn, me > neither.) That's going > to run you not less than $100. Objection, Your Honor. Supposition. Sustained. <BG> I agree with you in theory, but that wasn't mentioned in Kevin's original email, so I didn't include it. And, in a private email, Kevin thought (but wasn't sure) that the labor quote was for 2 hours per axle for pads & rotors. We can quibble on parts cost, but quoting 4 hours for a 4-wheel pad & rotor change, with the use of a lift & air tools....well, someone's taking a lot of coffee breaks :-) > Would I pay that? Hell no! But then like you I buy my own > parts and do my > own brake work, and the hourly rate I charge myself is highly > negotiable... :-) Some days, I wouldn't pay myself to get out of bed. > Does Kevin have less expensive options? You bet. An > independent shop will > doubtless be cheaper on parts and labour both, or Kevin can > go the DIY route > if he has the time, tools, skill and inclination. Agreed, and that was essentially what I was trying to get across. I guess I was just shocked at seeing the $1000 price, especially after having just helped a local list member do a rear pad & rotor change. And FWIW, I was doing my own brake pad changes before I had done my own oil change, so for me, it's an extremely easy job. YMMV, yada^3. And cost is relative. There are times when I'd rather pay someone to do something I could do myself, but due to lack of time, patience, whatever, it's easier/"cheaper" to have someone else do the work. Cheers, Jim Bassett

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